you do that by playing defense and not offense. you say big government policies force us to do things against our values. and that's what we don't want. we don't want to impose anything going forward. they have to make that switch. they haven't yet. they have to. >> it feels to me like it breaks down on the issue of women's reproductive rights. on this question of big government. you'll hear what we want is small government, right, small enough as is our joke, on a transvaginal probe as we saw in the context of bob mcdonnell. yet, this blew me away. the quinnipiac poll off bob mcdonnell's approval rating. he's actually doing quite well with women, quite well with african-americans, quite well with young people. this is the guy who proposed the transvaginal ultrasound procedures in virginia. am i missing something here? >> voters are not -- again, that whole single issue, you can't zero in on onish eye. i'm a little biased, he is my governor. i will give that caveat. think of the end of the day. to your point, we have to be much bro